Hitchhikers Guide to AI Governance Podcast
Don't Panic. The Hitchhiker's Guide to AI Governance is your trusty companion for navigating the Australian AI Governance Standard, all 42 statements of it. Hosted by Bruce Mullan (who is mostly harmless), this channel covers AI governance education, practical training, and the occasional bit of fun about life, the universe, and everything AI-related. Subscribe to our newsletter for news on our latest podcasts.
LATEST EPISODE
Episode 13 Keturah Charlesworth
Unmasking Shadow AI: A Conversation on Its Hidden Influence
Don't Panic! Today's episode is all about AI and privacy with Keturah Charlesworth, Privacy expert. AI has emerged as a modern-day enigma. As we navigate through its complexities, a striking observation was made: many people are caught between denial and action regarding their use of AI. In this episode, Ketchura Charlesworth shares insights on AI governance, privacy laws, shadow AI, and how organisations can navigate the complex landscape of AI use in health and human services.
PAST EPISODES

Episode 1 Dr Darryl Carlton
How Garbage In, Gospel Out is shaping AI adoption in Australia
Don’t panic. Today I speak with Dr Darryl Carlton, author of 8 books including his latest and most successful: Garbage in Gospel out, the practitioners workbook for transforming AI governance. In this in-depth discussion, Dr Darryl Carlton shares his 50+ years of experience in AI, discussing the evolution of AI systems, governance challenges, and practical advice for leaders navigating the AI landscape. He highlights the importance of built-in governance, the pitfalls of overhyped AI concepts, and the future of agentic commerce.

Episode 2 Ambrion AI
AI Governance must be built in, not added on
Don’t panic. Today I speak with John Webb-O'Rourke and Shane McCarthy from Ambrion AI, an Irish intelligence company purpose built for the AI era. In this lively conversation, John and Shane share their starkly different AI Governance journeys, describe the state of AI governance transition in Ireland and the EU, share their recent AI successes along with some lamentable flaws of well-known AI tools

Episode 3 Neil Butler
Reinventing Change Management for the AI era
Don’t panic. Today I speak with Neil Butler from Untypical, a boutique change management consulting practice. Neil has been delivery change for over 30 years across Australia and believes most of the way organisations do change is too process driven. We need stronger change leaders, less artefacts and a relentless focus on the outcomes we want to enable lasting change.

Episode 5 Jacinta Whelan
AI is the opportunity of a lifetime to design the career you want
Don't panic. In this episode I picked up Jacinta Whelan. Jacinta is the eminently successful lead Partner at Watermark Search Melbourne. Jacinta specialises in placing seasoned C-Suite professionals in organisations for specific missions rather than permanent roles. Jacinta talks about AI as the opportunity of a lifetime, it all depends on how you look at it.

Episode 6 Professor Michael Davern
An academic perspective on being human in an AI craze
Don’t panic. In this episode I picked up Professor Michael Davern. Michael is the Professor of Accounting & Business Information Systems at the prestigious University of Melbourne. Michael has been working with AI since the 1990s and his depth of knowledge and experience in applying AI to real world human problems is indeed, exceptional.

Episode 7 Duncan Brett
A vendor's perspective on being an intelligence company
Don’t panic. In this episode I picked up Duncan Brett. Duncan is the successful Chief Operating Officer at Decidr AI an ASX listed Australian AI software company.

Episode 4 Philip Cornish
An AI perspective from the community sector
Don't panic. Today I picked up Phil Cornish. Phil, our resident human in the loop, has over twenty years of board level experience across the commercial, government and not for profit sectors with particular experience in the community sector as a Board Chair. Phil shares his AI perspectives in the context of a life well lived serving community and health organisations for his entire career.

Episode 8 Gerry McCusker
Never let a good AI crisis go to waste
Don’t panic. In this episode I picked up PR & Crisis Expert, Gerry McCusker. Gerry McCusker is the driving force behind The Drill, unique software for crisis simulation training.

Episode 9 Part 1 Phyllis Elin
Bringing Information Governance into the AI era
Don’t panic. In this episode I picked up Information Governance expert, Phyllis Elin. With over three decades of senior information governance leadership, Phyllis Elin helps her global clients create, deploy, and maintain defensible and cost-saving information governance strategies.

Episode 10 Pamela Frost
Disrupt Yourself Before the AI Does
Don’t panic. In this engaging episode, I picked up Career Transition expert, Pamela Frost. Pamela has thirty years of expertise across capability assessment, talent management, career transition coaching, leadership development and employee engagement. Pamela is the founder and CEO of Adapt and Thrive, a multi-tool, multi-layered AI platform enabling people to realise their potential and develop the capabilities required to navigate an emerging future. Pamela's tools enable people to disrupt themselves, and be well ahead of the AI displacement curve.
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Bonus Episode: Masterclass - How to get ahead of the AI regulation compliance curve with good AI governance.
Don't panic. This week I share what good AI governance looks like in Australia. I share you how to get started and turn the AI Governance Standard from a compliance tick-off into practical, operational capabilities.

Episode 11 Ambrion AI
You can't put AI in jail. The EU AI Act enforcement is now live.
Don't panic. John and Shane return to the pod to share their brutally honest insights on the EU AI Act activations commencing on August 2, 2026.

Episode 12 Derek Crager
How to Win with AI Without Losing What Makes Us Human
Don’t panic. In this episode, I picked up Derek Crager. Derek is a visionary AI Solutions Architect & founder of Practical AI. And he's also a Hoosier (someone from Indiana US). His insights provide a refreshing perspective on how AI can complement human capabilities rather than replace them.

Episode 9 Part 2 Phyllis Elin
Bringing Information Governance into the AI era
Don’t panic. In this episode, due to popular demand, Phyllis Elin returns to the pod to continue our conversation about AI and information governance. Phyllis Elin shares her extensive expertise in information governance, the impact of AI on data management, and the importance of clean, well-structured data for effective AI deployment. She discusses her recent awards, her insights on records retention, and the challenges and opportunities AI presents in data security and management.

Episode 13 Keturah Charlesworth
Unmasking Shadow AI: A Conversation on Its Hidden Influence
Don't Panic! Today's episode is all about AI and privacy with Keturah Charlesworth, Privacy expert. AI has emerged as a modern-day enigma. As we navigate through its complexities, a striking observation was made: many people are caught between denial and action regarding their use of AI. In this episode, Ketchura Charlesworth shares insights on AI governance, privacy laws, shadow AI, and how organisations can navigate the complex landscape of AI use in health and human services.




